I've been filling my 1-2 Warmachine games a week with some proxying instead, mostly Khador at the moment. This is mostly to take a break from Gators for a while so I can come back and be excited about playing them again - a good strategy for keeping yourself playing the same faction all the time despite no new releases for what is set to be a full year.
I've been having fun reading the Khador boards and their response to being the worst "real" faction in the game (even Minions seem to do better in tournament rankings). It's not quite as fun as reading through the Trollbloods forums during the 'OMG MOUNTAIN KING IS SO BAD!!' phase, because the Khador players are mostly just stiff-upper-lip people who want to kill as much as possible on the table, winning be damned, while the Troll players are trolls. But it's still fun.
Anyway, here is a summary of Khador in my mind. Not much has changed for them in 2 years or so.
- Iron Flesh Kayazy are good. Stupidly good. But they are not the answer to everything anymore since Wrath/Domination + Gargosals has provided buckets of high DEF hate (none of which really worries Satyxis), and the meta has adjusted to have one list to deal with high DEF spam.
- 1-2 jacks at the most - most casters will only want to run one jack, and that jack will be a heavy hitter - Beast, Behemoth, Spriggan, Drago (with Vlad) or Conquest. If you take a second jack, it is either a cheap one like a Juggernaut, or a utility one like a Devastator or Demolisher.
I guess this is fine in the great scheme of things, since regular Hordes lists will take 2-3 heavies in larger points games, with a couple of support lights. I wish MoW solos were more like lights in providing good utility or ranged support. The MoW Kovnik is a beast but SPD 4 no reach really hurts him (I always had one marshalling a Destroyer in my eVlad lists way back when - worked great) - other than that, MoW are really crap.
If anything, this highlights how focus still doesn't work the way people want it to in terms of running warjacks, and Cryxmachine will continue until it does. - Half the faction (casters/jacks/infantry/solos) are great when put in the right place, and the other half is balls.
The main thing holding Khador back at present is the lack of tricks and how the meta at high levels has changed to deal with raw stats superiority - namely high DEF and high ARM. Jamming is also a more prevalent tactic with SR2013, which means that Khador's style of focusing on charge lanes is become less effective. What they have received so far in Vengeance does seem promising however, so let's hope it brings them out of the gutter, and they can go back to realizing how great eVlad actually is.
TL;DR: eIrusk is the Calaban of Khador, Butcher/Vlad/Sorscha are all great fun to play, and I hope Butcher3 is sweet.
Next I'll probably play some Protectorate, Circle, maybe even a little Cryx and Pigs - whatever I can get my hands on before the next nearby tournament pushes me to practice with Gators again. It's good to have a regular gaming group that lets you borrow all their stuff so you can get better :)
I've gotta say Khador are my favourite faction to play, and they are competitive - you just have to apply more finesse to your troop movements I feel.
ReplyDeleteMy last couple of games with eIrusk really made me feel that he's viable with some careful attention to list building. The Iron Fang Kovnik and IFP with regular flag are actually quite crazy with tactical supremacy. I run him with max IFP, max Kayazy, and the winterstar. One jack only (spriggan is ok) and the FFE target just a mortar - if they don't have troops you can usually fire at an objective each turn, and it's worth its points.
Been writing a lot of butcher lists lately.
Butcher is rock steady all around. I wish eButcher didn't have such a skewy tier list because he has a lot of depth as well.
DeleteYeah he does! I have been looking at max shocktroopers + IFK with him, with today's abundance of central scenarios and a lot of things that don't want to trade their points for 9 points worth of ARM 21 guys it might just buy butcher the time he needs to get into a decent position.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the dog is better than Wishnailer for his attachment? I actually think the probability of an attempt at eliminator is higher than people guess it is, and that free upkeep a turn is pretty critical. I also think think Madeline is a pretty amazing 2 points for him as well.